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(Date Posted:30/05/2007 08:44:03)

Christianity today through the power of the Media always tries to present the good side of its image, with love, compassion, and let Jesus change your life forever etc. But there is also a dark side to Christianity that must never be forgotten. Most modern day Christians have no idea what went on in the past, and have even less knowledge of what is still going on today within the church through the "World Council of Churches", in this global world in which we live.The supposed Jesus said"By their fruit shall you know them"(Matt.7:20)"A good tree cannot produce corrupt fruit".(Luke 6:43) Well the fruit of Christianity has often been corrupt through the ages and this corruption cannot be disputed.If the supposed Jesus could see the horror that has been done in his name, He would agree with me that the tree must be pulled out by the roots and thrown into the fire.May I start by saying that I was once a water baptised born again Christian who took my faith seriously. I attended all church services at where ever I may have been fellowshipping at the time. These included Mainstream and Pentecostal Churches. If you wanted to put me in a box then I would have been a fundamentalist. I was an active participant at bible study classes, and played an active role in local prayer meetings both in the home and in the Church.This article is not to put down people within the faith who have a serious desire to know the One creator God, but I believe, more so now than ever, that it is important to ask serious questions and demand an accurate answer. Unfortunately I doubt very much if your local Minister or Pastor would have sufficient knowledge to be able to answer accurately any serious probing. This is a serious stumbling block to those who seek truth. I am just an ordinary Aussie bloke with no Initials after my name, but with a burning desire within me for historical truth. In the past 2-3 years I have spent in excess of 1,000 hours in biblical and historical study, and this research is still ongoing.It is a fundamental Christian belief expressed in the New Testament writings and repeated by later Christians, that all pagans (unbelievers) were servants of Satan, and that Christians had a right to protect themselves against corruption by unbelievers, and also a duty to save the unbelievers from eternal damnation and fiery torture in hell. ("hades" Greek mythology) This still applies today.This belief led Christians to slaughter and also to enslave millions of European unbelievers in centuries of crusades, until all of Europe was Christianised. We know that this is true, because Christian clergymen proudly wrote lengthy articles describing in detail the atrocities they committed in forcing unbelievers to conversion.In the 15thcentury and onwards, Christians discovered new lands full of unbelievers, and they did to the Africians and to the Americian Indians exactly what they did to the European unbeliever, but there was one difference. Christian artwork had depicted Satan and his demons as black. Not suprisingly Christians decided that Africans and Indians were a lot closer to Satan than white skinned Europeans, and they (Christians) acted accordingly to protect themselves from the " pollution" of contact with dark skinned people.People should avail themselves and read Historian, Forrest. G. Woods. Book "The Arrogance of Faith." for an in depth exploration of the Christian origins of Racism, Slavery, and Segregation.According to history when the American civil war was over, Sunday mornings became the most segregated times of the week. And its not surprising that the people who were considered unbelievers, (pagans) formed various liberal movements who spoke out firstly against segregation and racism. That's one of the reasons that white segregationists - including clergy - labeled the civil rights movements in America as communistic, a word that they considered synonymous with unbelievers.Germany prior to the rise of Hitler was a Christian nation, the majority of its people were Christian, mainly Protestants. Hitler came to power only through the support of millions of German Christians, including many clergy. both Protestants and Catholic.IMG src="http://www.geocities.com/inexileau/Image1.gif"The above photo shows Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuneio in Berlin April 20th 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebration was initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pious XII.)

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(Date Posted:30/05/2007 08:44:04)

 

Christianity today through the power of the Media always tries to present the good side of its image, with love, compassion, and let Jesus change your life forever etc. But there is also a dark side to Christianity that must never be forgotten. Most modern day Christians have no idea what went on in the past, and have even less knowledge of what is still going on today within the church through the "World Council of Churches", in this global world in which we live.

The supposed Jesus said "By their fruit shall you know them" (Matt.7:20) "A good tree cannot produce corrupt fruit". (Luke 6:43) Well the fruit of Christianity has often been corrupt through the ages and this corruption cannot be disputed.

If the supposed Jesus could see the horror that has been done in his name, He would agree with me that the tree must be pulled out by the roots and thrown into the fire.

May I start by saying that I was once a water baptised born again Christian who took my faith seriously. I attended all church services at where ever I may have been fellowshipping at the time. These included Mainstream and Pentecostal Churches. If you wanted to put me in a box then I would have been a fundamentalist. I was an active participant at bible study classes, and played an active role in local prayer meetings both in the home and in the Church.

This article is not to put down people within the faith who have a serious desire to know the One creator God, but I believe, more so now than ever, that it is important to ask serious questions and demand an accurate answer. Unfortunately I doubt very much if your local Minister or Pastor would have sufficient knowledge to be able to answer accurately any serious probing. This is a serious stumbling block to those who seek truth. I am just an ordinary Aussie bloke with no Initials after my name, but with a burning desire within me for historical truth. In the past 2-3 years I have spent in excess of 1,000 hours in biblical and historical study, and this research is still ongoing.

It is a fundamental Christian belief expressed in the New Testament writings and repeated by later Christians, that all pagans (unbelievers) were servants of Satan, and that Christians had a right to protect themselves against corruption by unbelievers, and also a duty to save the unbelievers from eternal damnation and fiery torture in hell. ("hades" Greek mythology) This still applies today.

This belief led Christians to slaughter and also to enslave millions of European unbelievers in centuries of crusades, until all of Europe was Christianised. We know that this is true, because Christian clergymen proudly wrote lengthy articles describing in detail the atrocities they committed in forcing unbelievers to conversion.

In the 15th century and onwards, Christians discovered new lands full of unbelievers, and they did to the Africians and to the Americian Indians exactly what they did to the European unbeliever, but there was one difference. Christian artwork had depicted Satan and his demons as black. Not suprisingly Christians decided that Africans and Indians were a lot closer to Satan than white skinned Europeans, and they (Christians) acted accordingly to protect themselves from the " pollution" of contact with dark skinned people.

People should avail themselves and read Historian, Forrest. G. Woods. Book "The Arrogance of Faith." for an in depth exploration of the Christian origins of Racism, Slavery, and Segregation.

According to history when the American civil war was over, Sunday mornings became the most segregated times of the week. And its not surprising that the people who were considered unbelievers, (pagans) formed various liberal movements who spoke out firstly against segregation and racism. That's one of the reasons that white segregationists - including clergy - labeled the civil rights movements in America as communistic, a word that they considered synonymous with unbelievers.

Germany prior to the rise of Hitler was a Christian nation, the majority of its people were Christian, mainly Protestants. Hitler came to power only through the support of millions of German Christians, including many clergy. both Protestants and Catholic.



The above photo shows Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuneio in Berlin April 20th 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebration was initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pious XII.)
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(Date Posted:08/07/2007 13:06:12)

Interestingly enough, I've just got to the bit in "The God Delusion" where Richard Dawkins is wondering about why religion is so prevalent among societies and the human race today. He argues that it might be a replication of Darwinian forces at work... if enough mental coding is present in the human psyche in favour of religion, that will get passed down from parent to trusting child as the generations go by and become more prevalent in society's thinking.

Strange that religions need to rely on the very Darwinian processes that they hate and deny so fervently.

One thing Richard Dawkins hasn't as yet touched on, though, is things like the Crusades mentioned in the above post. Although hardly Darwinian, a good way of seeding future generations with your own mental "genes" (as it were) is to slaughter mercilessly anyone who doesn't carry them!

That'll tip the balance!

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(Date Posted:09/07/2007 01:46:11)

And while we're on the subject of "the Dark Side of Christianity"...

This made me lighten up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi3YupW6JJQ

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RE:DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIANITY
(Date Posted:18/02/2008 10:49:10)

"We know that this is true, because Christian clergymen proudly wrote lengthy articles describing in detail the atrocities they committed in forcing unbelievers to conversion."

You can't force a conversion. "Faith is a gift from God." A genuine Christian does not manipulate/force/pressure a conversion.

"Christian artwork had depicted Satan and his demons as black."

Where does it say that in the Bible? The Bible says that the devil passes himself off as an angel of "light." Those paintings with Satan with hoofs, pitchwork, etc. is pure imagination.

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Re:DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIANITY
(Date Posted:28/02/2009 19:35:24)

All of Christianity is dark.  The churches simply exist to try making it look better.
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Re:DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIANITY
(Date Posted:02/03/2009 10:55:19)

please give url for down loading the dark side of christiniaty

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Lets save our country from terrorimsm and from the mud of Christianity. Atleast we have to play our least role towards our nation and lets us protect our nation's Tradition, Customs and Hindu Righteousness oterwise there is no use of living in this coutry. Those who are trying to insult my country or culture or anything regarding to India is an equivalent to insulting their own mother because my country is mother of the world. If anybody insults my gods like rama, krishna and other goddesses it means their gods value & self respectcannot equate my gos foot dust

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Re:DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIANITY
(Date Posted:12/03/2009 10:30:19)

thanks for ur reaction i will send my feed back soon

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Lets save our country from terrorimsm and from the mud of Christianity. Atleast we have to play our least role towards our nation and lets us protect our nation's Tradition, Customs and Hindu Righteousness oterwise there is no use of living in this coutry. Those who are trying to insult my country or culture or anything regarding to India is an equivalent to insulting their own mother because my country is mother of the world. If anybody insults my gods like rama, krishna and other goddesses it means their gods value & self respectcannot equate my gos foot dust

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RE:DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIANITY
(Date Posted:17/05/2009 08:31:36)

I have no trouble with your request not to insult India and the Hundu religion - I do however have a problem with the caste system. It can not be right that millions of people are condemned to cleannig shit fron other simply because of the family they are born into. When I hear Dalits shouting in the street 'yes please keep the caste system, I love cleaning shit' then I for one could respect the Hidu system. This thread is called the dat k side of christianity but it is christianity that has done the most to save people from the degrading and dehumanising caste system. If this is part of the dark side of christianity then I say 'let's go over to the dark side!!!!'

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(Date Posted:17/05/2009 08:39:15)

Reply to franknhonest (28/02/2009 19:35:24)

All of Christianity is dark.  The churches simply exist to try making it look better.


Frank- are you still spouting these glib insults? 'All of Christianity is dark' is such a rediculous generalisation, it really doesn't become you. Please don't lower yourself to the level of mindless moronic insults, you are better than that - or at least you used to be. Of course Christianity has a dark side - If you knew anything about christianity, and I know you do, you would know that christianity at its heart deals with the humnan condition - the good and evil that is in all of us. If I were to say Frank is all dark it would clerly be nonsense for the re is good in you, likewise christians have good and evil in them. The point of Christianity is to provide the church community a way to come to terms with that dark side, to forgive themselves, to turn away from that eveil and to restore relationships with one another.

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(Date Posted:17/05/2009 08:44:59)

Reply to gordonliv (08/07/2007 13:06:12)

Interestingly enough, I've just got to the bit in "The God Delusion" where Richard Dawkins is wondering about why religion is so prevalent among societies and the human race today. He argues that it might be a replication of Darwinian forces at work... if enough mental coding is present in the human psyche in favour of religion, that will get passed down from parent to trusting child as the generations go by and become more prevalent in society's thinking.

Strange that religions need to rely on the very Darwinian processes that they hate and deny so fervently.

One thing Richard Dawkins hasn't as yet touched on, though, is things like the Crusades mentioned in the above post. Although hardly Darwinian, a good way of seeding future generations with your own mental "genes" (as it were) is to slaughter mercilessly anyone who doesn't carry them!

That'll tip the balance!


Hi Gordon - long time no chat, sorry I have been away so long. Interesting point about religion being passed on in the genes - I like the notion. I suppose when religion was born along with the frontal lobe it played a vital part in a scary world, providing a controlling figure in the sky (literally as it was then thought). I suppose we could just do away with religion now but it still plays a vital function in so many people's lives. If you don't want it that is fine don't have one. I do feel sorry for fundamentalists tho - really need to grow up! You know what they say about fundamentalists? No fun, lots of damn, and very little mental

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RE:DARK SIDE OF CHRISTIANITY
(Date Posted:20/05/2009 18:04:53)

Yes Cider Vicar, I admit you have a point there.

Christianity is supposed to be good at making people behave better towards others, and in a lot of cases it does.  However, in my opinion people can be kind and feel compassion without any religious belief system or any religious motivation.  Indeed, I would say that in this case the compassion is more authentic, because it has no "hidden agenda".

Are starving people in Africa really going to hell without Christ?  Or are preachers in the West only allowed to say this for the "ungodly heathen" of America and Europe?  Ah, the hypocrisy!


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